When to add 2nd box

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When to add 2nd box

Postby Grappling Coach » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:46 pm

I caught two small swarms this spring and had no resources to help them along. As a result, they are just now filling up the first brood box. Should I wait to add a second box because the spring flow is coming to an end and we will be heading into a dearth?

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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby moebees » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:31 pm

Unless you feed them. They will still build comb if you feed. I'm not recommending that. Just saying that is the only way I would add a second box.
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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby Grappling Coach » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:28 pm

Can the bees overwinter in one box?

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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby moebees » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:32 am

Where you are at I would say yes. In the north they usually winter in two but you are in southwest Missouri, right? One should be ok. We are talking a 10 frame deep?
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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby Grappling Coach » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:05 pm

Yes, a 10 frame deep.

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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby GregV » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:39 pm

This would be a good opportunity to learn how to winter nucs.
I would recommend you do it, in fact.
Especially down in MO, this would be easier than up here (the North).
Ability to winter backup, redundant nucs is highly desired now days if you want to succeed.

PS: check Michael Bush's website for lots of good advice on how to winter nucs and see what fits you.

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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby Michael Bush » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:30 pm

The norm around here is two ten frame deeps (the equivalent of four eight frame mediums). A large cluster in two deeps overwinters the best here, but a smaller cluster can overwinter in a single deep and do well. Or two eight frame mediums, in my case, if the cluster is small and there are adequate stores they sometimes do very well. But I also cluster them up against each other to stay warmer.
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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby Grappling Coach » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:45 pm

I opened them up today and they both looked good. The queens seems to be laying well. There is still room for them to fill in the bottom of the frames, if they will. There is a lot of brood, both capped and uncapped.
I have a lot of sumac around me, which should be blooming soon. It has lots of buds, but no flowers yet. Hopefully it will keep them building. Does anyone know if sumac is a short or long flow?
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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby Rurification » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:58 pm

Sumac is a short flow here. The bees love it, though.
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Re: When to add 2nd box

Postby GregV » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:02 am

Grappling Coach wrote:Does anyone know if sumac is a short or long flow?


Go here: https://honeybeenet.gsfc.nasa.gov/Honeybees/Forage.htm
Look up your region.
Find "sumac".


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