Really tiny queen

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Really tiny queen

Postby Rurification » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:07 pm

I've got a split started. It's been 4 + weeks. I've been giving them weekly frames of BIAS until the new queen gets going. Today I went in and checked. No eggs that I could see. No brood except what was capped from last week. I found the queen but she was TINY. Her abdomen was longer than her wings but she was barely the size of a worker. No attendants, they were pretty much ignoring her.

I put in a new frame of BIAS. My question is this: If she's a dud, how long until they supercede? And what will they do with her? Are my frames of BIAS interfering?
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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby moebees » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:17 pm

4 weeks since the split or 4 weeks since she emerged? If the former she probably just hasn't been mated yet.
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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby Dustymunky » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:29 pm

Yeah sounds like a virgin or a newly mated queen that hasnt started laying yet. Hopefully she starts laying soon.


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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby SiWolKe » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:28 pm

I´m with the other guys.
Queens change sometimes extremely after mating and starting to lay.

I have one which looked like a drone first, now she is very slim but long and lays good.

Some get fat and darker.

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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby Rurification » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:50 pm

4 weeks since split [actually closer to 6 now.] I saw her 2 Saturdays ago, then last Saturday. I'll look for her again next weekend. On Sunday, I saw a large cluster on the front of the hive - not like their usual bearding. Maybe that coincided with a mating flight. The weather has been great, so I don't know what's taking her so long. [Geez, I wish bees would read the books...]
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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby Rurification » Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:10 pm

Soooo that queen was a dud. Never did anything and they refused to make a new queen with any of the BIAS I've been giving them week after week.

I'm done. Maybe 2 frames of bees. I'm just going to let them languish since I don't know if there are any weird nasties in there that I'm not aware of.
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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby Rurification » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:56 pm

Ha. Just when I think I know what's going on with a colony, they surprise me. I had given up on that little colony and decided just to let it die when I noticed they looked busy and productive. Lots of the right kind of busy at the entrance and bringing in a bunch of pollen. I checked them this weekend and that queen was nice and fat. Brood everywhere and the colony expanding into the box nicely. They have enough time to fill a box before winter. The fall flow will be on in a couple of weeks, providing we get more rain.

I'm glad I just left them alone. This queen is from some of my favorite stock, so here's hoping they make it through the winter and build up well next year.
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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby moebees » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:25 pm

We need to be patient with new queens. I learned that this summer.
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Re: Really tiny queen

Postby GregV » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:29 pm

So this all just reiterates the point of queen to become productive does take time.
Much more time than the "bee math" might suggest.

PS: I have a similar nuc on hand right now;
they have been in a "re-queen" mode for, like 1-2 months by now;
the initial new queen emerged but got lost somehow;
I gave them a chance to raise yet another one;
she emerged;
unsure if she is OK though and still am waiting
only hope something will pan out soon (too much resources went into this nuc as-is already to just dissolve it)


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