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Log hives

Postby GregV » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:16 am

I figure I will keep posting here what I make out of my newly scored "log hive".
For now I decided to make two 3-section vertical traps out of it.
Will drop inside 90-degree turned used Lang deeps I picked up for free or for about free.
Takes in six 32 mm (1.25 inch) frames.
Will put one right onto the back porch.
The other to one of my most trusted and safe out-yards.
Will post when these are ready to go.
Should be a fun project.
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Re: Log hives

Postby Nordak » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:53 pm

Neat hive. Look forward to the updates. What's your plan on the unused corners of the hexagonal shape? Maybe you should cut some top bars to angle in the seat.

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Postby GregV » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:00 pm

Nordak wrote:Neat hive. Look forward to the updates. What's your plan on the unused corners of the hexagonal shape? Maybe you should cut some top bars to angle in the seat.


I may cut a piece of junk plywood to cover the unused corners to have it flush with the frame bars.
I may staple a couple of twigs under the plywood scraps to suggest the potential combs.
Will see.
If I had tons of spare bees, I'd let them be in this log hive totally un-managed and just throw swarms so I can catch those. :D

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Re: Log hives

Postby GregV » Mon May 01, 2017 2:31 am

Here they are.
Entire cost is under ($3-$5); a really good deal. Took most of the rainy Sunday to do.

Frames take up top and middle sections.
The very bottom sections of these traps have old combs in them just for more smell. These are below the frames.

The original design of this hive has 12 one-inch entrances (two per a section).
So each of the traps has 6 entrances.
I screened them all inside with 1/2 inch wire mesh from the critters.
I think I will plug 4 out of 6 entrances and only leave two open.

SO trying to think since these are really non-standard traps how to configure these better.
What the club here thinks about the open entrances to leave:
1)middle and top; 2)bottom and top; 3)bottom and middle.
All three open?
Will it be a good idea to force them to enter through the bottom where I have lots old combs hanging and just piled up on the floor?
What will be bees like best?
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Re: Log hives

Postby Nordak » Mon May 01, 2017 2:44 am

If it were me, I'd leave them a single top entrance. I dunno, call it a hunch. Some of my most successful TBH swarm captures were from similar sized top entrances. That to me seems like a lot of volume. Do you happen to know the total?

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Postby GregV » Mon May 01, 2017 2:52 am

Nordak wrote:If it were me, I'd leave them a single top entrance. I dunno, call it a hunch. Some of my most successful TBH swarm captures were from similar sized top entrances. That to me seems like a lot of volume. Do you happen to know the total?


6 Lang deeps (turned at 90 degree) take two top sections + volume for 2-4 more in the empty corners
A single section is tad above 15 liters I think.
So I estimate the top two sections take about 30-40 liters.
The entire three section hive probably is 45-50 liters then (the walls are really thick - true 2 inch wood).

My idea of keeping two entrance is to allow air in and out of the hive better (and the smell with it).
Maybe my logic is no good, hence asking. :D
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Re: Log hives

Postby Nordak » Mon May 01, 2017 2:56 am

If it were here, I'd go with the 30 litres. There again, northern bees may need more space. It's probably not a deal breaker either way. I like it a lot, and I'm thinking the bees will too.

I'd stick with the one entrance I think.

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Re: Log hives

Postby GregV » Mon May 01, 2017 3:01 am

Nordak wrote:If it were here, I'd go with the 30 litres. There again, northern bees may need more space. It's probably not a deal breaker either way. I like it a lot, and I'm thinking the bees will too.

I'd stick with the one entrance I think.


It is interesting you say 30 liters. :)
In one of SP's podcasts he says he'd catch swarms in 30 liter traps in Arkansas (and you are in Arkansas).
Then he moved to Oregon and stopped catching.
Then he increased his traps in size and started catching again.
So the Oregon bees wanted larger traps.

PS: i like these log traps because the size is easy to change; I initially also thought about making three smaller traps out of these; but I already have 10 40 liter traps (my other pics); so, I figure, I give a go to a couple of larger traps. Just need to find a good spot - that will be the deal killer or deal maker.
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Re: Log hives

Postby Nordak » Mon May 01, 2017 3:03 am

Well, there ya go! Keep us updated.

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Re: Log hives

Postby GregV » Mon May 01, 2017 3:07 am

Ok; so we have one vote for a single top entrance; noted.
Any other ideas?

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Re: Log hives

Postby moebees » Mon May 01, 2017 5:24 am

I vote for one entrance but don't think location matters. And technically they are not log hives but hexagonal hive. The hex hive is an example http://organicbeekeeping101.com/hexhive.html and there are others on the market as well.
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Re: Log hives

Postby SiWolKe » Mon May 01, 2017 7:13 am

The more north the more stores the bees need so the bigger the room must be.
Seeley says they scout for the place they need for winter stores mostly. So in Oregon they need double weight of stores as in Arkansas, I believe.

I would vote for a single entrance in the middle
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Re: Log hives

Postby GregV » Mon May 01, 2017 2:41 pm

Right, I have seen those hex-hives. They want lots of $$$ for those too! :shock: Whatever.

OK, yes - this is NOT technically a log hive.
But if you google for "log hive" you will see that whatever they factory-produce and market as "log hives" are either hexagons or octagons or even just proper squares (in perpendicular section). It is difficult to produce a round hive in factory settings from standard materials. Hence - a "log hive". This is close enough to experiment with and learn about.

I am still looking for a suitable hollow tree trunk to make the real, true log hive. Some day!

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Re: Log hives

Postby GregV » Mon May 01, 2017 3:06 pm

So, guys, what would be a substantiated argument against 2 entrances?
I just don't know and would like to understand this so to improve the chances of scoring a swarm.
If it takes a single entrance to do that - I am for it.
But if takes three entrances - I am for that instead! :)

PS: notice, my priority is here to increase swarm attraction, not ventilation/nest management/etc of an existing bees.... a bit different.

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Re: Log hives

Postby moebees » Mon May 01, 2017 5:08 pm

Bees will occupy all kinds of structures with more than one entrance. I don't think it is a big deal either way. You obviously don't want it to look like swiss cheese but short of that it probably is not a big deal. I would not worry about scent location. I believe bees would find your trap without any holes in it if you have lgo or swarm commander in it. My argument against two hole is that allows more light in.
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Re: Log hives

Postby GregV » Mon May 01, 2017 5:21 pm

I see: "My argument against two hole is that allows more light in."

As I walk around the office and think about it, I may be liking Jeff's ("I'd leave them a single top entrance") more and more.
Basically, I will set these "logs" just above the ground on some stands. Not raising them high at all.
So the hole in the upper section should produce the plume of smell just as high as possible above the ground level for better distribution.
So I do want the upper hole open.

As far as incoming air goes, there are plenty of cracks in there to allow fresh air in.
So maybe I want the incoming air to filter through all the wax and propolis as much as possible.
Will drop an LGO baggie into the old comb pile as well.

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Re: Log hives

Postby moebees » Mon May 01, 2017 7:01 pm

As I walk around the office and think about it, I may be liking Jeff's ("I'd leave them a single top entrance") more and more.
Basically, I will set these "logs" just above the ground on some stands. Not raising them high at all.
So the hole in the upper section should produce the plume of smell just as high as possible above the ground level for better distribution.
So I do want the upper hole open.

As far as incoming air goes, there are plenty of cracks in there to allow fresh air in.
So maybe I want the incoming air to filter through all the wax and propolis as much as possible.
Will drop an LGO baggie into the old comb pile as well.


I think you are doing what I often do myself. Over think it. :)
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